Workshops/Open Data Hungary May 2011


 * Blog post: http://lod2.okfn.org/2011/04/28/open-data-workshops-in-budapest-19-20th-may-2011/

The following notes are copied from the Etherpad: http://hu.okfnpad.org/budapest-20110520 and pads linked therein.

= Open government data workshop, Budapest =

* When? 1000-1900 CET, 20th May 2011 * Where? Open Society Archives, Arany János utca 32., 1051 Budapest, Hungary * Register? http://ogd-budapest.eventbrite.com/ * Notes: http://hu.okfnpad.org/budapest-20110520

Schedule
* 1000 - Morning tea/coffee served * 1000-1100 - Introductions, kick-off discussion and making an agenda for the day * 1100-1300 - Session 1 - Mapping Hungary's data. Discussion + adding items to CKAN. What data is out there on the web? How much of it (if any) is fully open as in opendefinition.org? Who can we contact to clarify this? What opportunities are there for datasets to be opened up? * 1300-1400 - Lunch at MOST café * 1400-1600 - Session 2 - Brainstorming, planning and hacking. Work on various projects. Discussion of key legal, technical and policy issues - orientated towards making concrete plans. Possibly splitting off into smaller groups to work on different things. * 1600 - Afternoon tea/coffee * 1615-1800 (or later depending on if people are still around?) - Session 3 - Conclusion. Finishing off last bits and pieces. Making plans for next steps. How to take things forward?

Sessions
* Data audit - http://hu.okfnpad.org/data-mapping * Spending data * Legislation * Legal issues * Company register * Presentations on projects * Stef * Julia * Petra * Attila

Participants
* Rufus Pollock * Jonathan Gray * Gabriella Ivacs, OSA * Barnabas Malnay, Kitchen Budapest * Stefan Marsiske, hu.ckan.net, Statistical data, legislative transparency, EU level transparency, three projects: pippi longstrings, * Petra, Budapest Institute - spending data, interested in technical issues * Julia, K-Monitor - database about corruption, public procurements, EU tenders, network between political/economic, making connections with others around this area, interested in crowdsourcing * Zoltan, LMP Green party, transparency in municipalities, encouraging municipalities to publish data, trying to run project in 8th district in Budapest * Christiana Maria Mauro, legal advocate * Hajnal Fekete, LMP Green party, municipal budgets * Attila Bujdoso: Kitchen Budapest, http://bujatt.com * Kálmán Hajdú, hu Wikipedia, free knowledge, legal issues * Ágnes Módis, hu Wikipedia, photographer * Istvan, State Audit Office, Analyst and researcher * Istvan Rev * Eszter * Peter Gervai, open source, data freedom, very angry
 * 1) Who is coming? What shall we do?

Please add your name and ideas below this block in the form: Your name / affiliation Your ideas What you can contribute (e.g. are you a coder, a designer, a researcher, a journalist, etc)?

Jonathan Gray, Open Knowledge Foundation Load Hungarian spending data into Open Spending Map Hungarian data on Hungarian CKAN instance (hu.ckan.net) I'm interested in helping to build a stronger community of people interested in open data in Hungary



Peter Gervai, (Grin) Hu Wikipedia, Hu OpenStreetMap, Hu open source community My agenda is to suggest, convince and/or force the government that any "intellectual property" which was created by public funded money should be licensed and distributed under free license (CC-BY or CC-BY-SA or similar in nature, or even more preferred to be released in the public domain); including but not limited to: software, geospatial data (all kind of maps and geographical data, including material in regional building regulations, national surveys, public funded aerial photos, ...), literature (books, research papers, knowledge representation materials,...), databases (in general, built on public data), statistical data, governmental catalogs (including company catalog, house property catalog, land database, ...), photos (including those "licensed" by governmental companies), video and movie material, including public funded archieves; and all of these in digital, reuseable format (and not on facsimile, copied paper, PDF, vendor-locked or DRM hindered formats). I support the idea of open governmental data, including contracts, data used in the decision processes, money spent by public companies, public money spent by politicians (including every kinds of their offical income). I suggest to create and offer sample contractual material for governments and companies using public money about how to use the public money in a way where the result would be open, listing important points to take care of, possible problems with the I.P. law, etc. I support a general law, similar to the US. where it is written that anything the government creates cannot be copyrighted and is in the public domain. I would welcome international examples supporting the feasibility of all of these. :-)

A tend to remember about MTI (Hungarian Press Agency) material is now supposed to be free, but it's like never happened, maybe I have a bad memory. :-P

I am pretty much against listing "open data" with "unknown license". I do not really find the idea to scrape data with unknown license appealing, especially because it could poison otherwise clean and freely usable data. I suggest not to mix unknown status data with known ones.

I wonder what is the relation between the first second day with the "secret" second first day, and what's the plan in general to achieve anything at all, apart from having a good time. (This partially has been answered: the purpose is to have a good time and familiarise with the interested parties.)



stefan marsiske / hungarian autonomous center for knowledge, open standards alliance parltrack, ksh-scraper, pippi longstrings, hu.ckan.net, weurstchen, hungarian farmsubsidy analysis etc coder, activist, digital rights, a2k i'd like to be an part of a lively hungarian open data scene.

Zoltan Erdos, Eszter Neumann / LMP Budapest 6-7-8 Districts Group projects of local dimension: focusing on municipal services and budget activists; expertise for local budget, education like to run a sample project in the 8th district of Budapest

Petra Edina Reszkető, economist/ co-director, Budapest Institute for Policy Analysis visualisation of HU (central) budget data: questions & dicussion on how to promote the project outcome (i.e. online interface w/ interactive applications) among target groups - see, teenagers & journalists mapping opportunity to pilot the budget visu project @ local gov level exploring the economic value of PSI in HU

Julia Keseru, Sandor Lederer / K-Monitor Watchdog for Public Fund (http://www.k-monitor.hu) monitoring corruption, monitoring public spending (procurements, funds, contracts) visualizing datasets crowdsourcing lobbying for public interest data disclosures

Attila Bujdoso: Kitchen Budapest, http://bujatt.com senior research supervisor, architect I am very interested in the field where technology, culture and society meets and interacts. I do Remix Architecture project at KÉK - Hungarian Contemporary Architecture Centre with the aim to develop a methodology to run architectural competitions based on open licenses (CC-BY) http://remixarchitecture.org/ some projects that might be relevant: McLuhan wikisprint http://huwiki.blogspot.com/2011/04/mcluhan-wikisprint.html (in Hungarian) SubMap http://submap.kibu.hu/ Christiana Maria Mauro, civil liberties, lobby for disclosure of public procurement procedures, gov statistics

= Wishlist =

From http://hu.okfnpad.org/wishlist

Data

 * Database to see changes of legal acts
 * E.g. like sejmometr.pl
 * Information on revisions and so on are sold
 * Hungarian language documentation of Neumann's project incl. data assets registry: http://nda.blog.hu/2010/08/07/kozerdeku_adatok_ujrahasznositasa
 * Statistics from Ministry of Interior on the requests by police for personal information on citizens
 * Aerial photographs
 * E.g. used for noise statistics
 * Map data
 * geological, environmental, urban, traffic, railways etc. maps
 * street names, population, etc.
 * businesses, companies (f.e. shops) on spot
 * Lists of schools, institutions
 * pure map data: Cities, villages <> Post codes <> Street names and numbers <> lat/lon geocoordinates
 * Lack of really detailed data on streets
 * now available from private companies http://Geox.hu
 * Postcode > lat/lon - for district level, for city level
 * Four digit code (available for download and reuse): http://posta.hu/ugyfelszolgalat/iranyitoszam_kereso
 * Six digit code (internal number - middle two numbers are not available, can be purchased).
 * Performance of public service
 * Length/speed of public service procedures.
 * How long do legal procedures take?
 * court cases
 * administration processes f.e. building permit, get new ID card etc.
 * police fines,
 * medical waiting lists, treatments
 * Lists and locations of things schools, hospitals, CCTV cameras (available online), kindergartens, postboxes, cultural heritage sites, sites of natural beauty, boundaries of school districts, parking facilities locations, parking zones, libraries
 * http://zoldterkep.hu/ - green services and products
 * http://www.police.hu/data/cms669792/201101terfigyelok.pdf (list of cctv cams location)
 * http://tajertektar.hu/ - cultural and natural heritage map
 * http://muemlekem.hu/ - database and map of listed monuments with user evaluations created through a game
 * sculptures http://www.szoborlap.hu/
 * very interesting maps: http://terkep.torokbalint.hu/index_NOT_FF4.html
 * Detailed budgetary data on public administration
 * To have a uniform source of data but very detailed
 * Expenditure of politicians, or even public servants
 * "Prohibit to use cash money and publish all transfers on his/her credit card."
 * Detailed breakdown of party finance
 * National digital data archive: http://kozadat.neumannhaz.hu/
 * Up to date information about documents which are being declassified
 * List of official datasets and documents! :-)
 * A dataset about who benefits from datasets not being opened up (more speculative)

Ideas for apps and services

 * Water quality and price mapping
 * Where is my nearest X? (Postbox, school, ...) - mobile or web
 * E.g. http://mapspot.ge/
 * Where is my nearest X that is open now?
 * Open Spending Hungary
 * Monitoring waiting lines (real-time!)
 * Library - service telling you about new acquisitions that you might be interested in in libraries in your area; pilot project: http://konyvtar.hu (combined search of all Hungarian library catalogues)

= Follow up =


 * Transfer data audit to http://thedatahub.org/ - tagged "country.hu"
 * Open Spending Hungary
 * Mapping data sources, contextual research
 * Start to load national data into Open Spending Hungary
 * Pilot "Where is my nearest X?"open data application with municipal dataset
 * David will write to list re: future events