Working Groups/Science/meetings/20100602

= Agenda =
 * CKAN for open data in science
 * Chemistry data pilot -- what metadata
 * Need for discovery tools? E.g. to fit with existing workflows
 * Summaries in different domains. One or two - e.g. chemistry, biogenetics, or environmental, ...
 * Who are the key people in different areas...
 * Panton Principles - what next? building consensus: e.g. Wellcome, NSF
 * Panton discussions - podcast / interview
 * Guest blog posts - detail but also for non-specialists...
 * Competitions
 * e.g.: http://www.biomedcentral.com/researchawards/otherawards/
 * Logo / buttons
 * http://lists.okfn.org/pipermail/open-science/2010-February/000170.html
 * Interns/grad students call for participation (what could they work on?)
 * International open data in science event? Two day workshop/unconference? E.g. in 2011-2012?

= Summary =


 * Searchable for science data
 * Biographical data on science 19th century

Chemistry Data Discovery Process

 * many use paid databases
 * growing movement for freely accessible information
 * Many people coming through wikipedia or google search
 * Getting ways to have Google index more information
 * But google might not do chemistry specific data (too small market)
 * Is there a need for specific basic chemistry metadata set?
 * Metadata might not really be the problem
 * Chemistry is very structure centric, so searching by structures is needed (by wholes or fragments)
 * pointers from wikipedia to CKAN for references?
 * but WP is not a place for lists (actively discouraged)
 * workshop on finding opendata in chemistry? next steps, etc
 * Participants: send to blueobelisk list and the Chemistry WP group
 * Martin Walker (Wikipedia), Blue Obelisk List (Egon Willighagen, Noel O'Boyle)
 * getting participation from the people who submitted the datasets
 * wrt format (xml, rdf)
 * Can we provide the equivalent of Open Shakespeare for undergrad chemistry students?
 * Existing Chemistry packages:
 * http://ckan.net/package/search?q=chemistry&search=Search+Packages+%C2%BB
 * http://ckan.net/group/chemistry
 * ChemSpider:
 * : You have limited rights in this regard. You can only assemble a database of 5000 structures or less, and their associated properties, from our database without our permission. You can download up to 1000 structures per day from the website. Please contact us at feedbackATchemspiderDOTcom to request an extension outside this constraint. These constraints are under regular review so please feel free to engage us in conversation.
 * : http://www.chemspider.com/FAQ.aspx

Panton Principles Concensus

 * isitopen? use
 * go to the OA publishers to get stated support (start with the DOAJ)
 * Get grad students to lead the charge to contact publishers to adopt the principles (or support of)
 * Egon
 * Blogosphere / Friendfeed

Panton Discussions

 * get the geographically close people first (eg: Mark Patterson from PLoS)
 * http://www.plos.org/about/people/publishing.php#mpatterson
 * google docs with lists of people to include
 * shoot for 3 people for half an hour
 * Great place for grad students/interns participation
 * recording, coordination, editing, publishing, creating the "I <3 PP" button

Logo

 * Get the logo discussion going again on the list
 * do a "I Support the Panton Principles" button

Unconference for Data

 * Wellcome support? JISC? RIN? EBI? Bio Med Central? Shuttleworth?
 * Main (Open)Data events:
 * Open Access-related meetings
 * Time frame: Fall 2011. September.

Report on "Archive '10 NSF Workshop on Archiving Experiments to Raise Scientific Standards"
Perhaps of interest to the group, last week I attended the above workshop at the computer science department at University of Utah. Details at the workshop web site http://users.emulab.net/trac/archive10/ The presentation I gave at the workshop is at http://punkish.org/651