Working Groups/publicdomain/meetings

http://wiki.okfn.org/wg/publicdomain/meetings

= Meeting 27 April 2010 =

Present: Jonathan Gray, OKF; Sara Wingate Gray, OKF; Franco Iacomella FKI, FLACSO, GNU; Rufus Pollock, Univ of Cam, OKF; Maarten Zeinstra, Kennisland; Mike Chelen, Open Science Info

Apologies: Christina Angelopoulos, IVIR; Lucie Guibault, IVIR; Ronan Deazley, University of Glasgow; John Mark Ockerbloom, University of Pennsylvania (was off by an hour)

Agenda
1. Introductions

2. Updates and Developments - moving PD meetings from bi-monthly to monthly schedule?

3. PD Calculators: review of where we are & next steps:

4. Public Domain Works: registry of works in the Public Domain in different jurisdictions

5. PD Request Service?

6. Raising awareness of different PD projects.

7. PD Working Group

Additional Summary
http://www.publicdomainworks.net/api/ - Where is source code? http://knowledgeforge.net/pdw/trac/browser/pdw/pd

- A few such services exist in the US. "Scan on demand" at http://openlibrary.org/bpl will do books that are at the Boston Public Library and are clearly in the public domain, posting results at Internet Archive/Open Library. The Online Books Page has a public request list at http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/in-progress.html but it's not directly connected to any scanning service. For books non-obviously in US public domain (as many 1923-1963 books are), Hathi Trust has folks clearing Google scans for US public access. I don't think there's a public request point for this clearance, but I know of folks doing it there, and plan to eventually ping them about non-renewed items in my requests list. [JMO]
 * PD Request services research information:

= Meeting 23 March 2010 = Present: Jonathan Gray, OKF; Christina Angelopoulos, IVIR; Sara Wingate Gray, OKF; Maarten Zeinstra, Kennisland | Knowledgeland; John Mark Ockerbloom, University of Pennsylvania; Ignasi Labastida, universitat de barcelona; Joseph Seddon; William Waites, OKF; Rufus Pollock, OKF

Notes on discussion
1. Maarten updated on his work with PD calcs. Developing more jurisdictions for both calculators (having split them up into 2 groups one for OKF, one for Kennisland project work - Europeana).
 * Asked to write a guest blog post on the PD calcs work for the OKF blog - they will write a draft and we can take it from there.

2. News on licensing Europeana metadata: sharelike non commercial seems to be the current state [decision has not been taken but is implicit in the documents] - is there a possibility to approach individual libraries to negotiate on this as seperate entities?

3. Update on Open Bibliographic Data Working group. Point to the WG page: http://wiki.okfn.org/wg/bibliography
 * John also has listed on his site collations of relevant resources. (http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/cce/ ) Discusses different issues relating to US/EU differences of data re-use. Library cataloguing data/metadata is again another issue, with entities asserting different rights (ie. OCLC) etc.

4. Public Domain registry is the OKF aim, in tandem with the PD calc. PD registry in place prior to Open Library & have been trying to maintain a backend which is RDF. Keen to work with the Open Library: underlying technology ie. versioning, but issues around, again, the US/EU legal differences in place.

5. OKF developments: a. No. of PD calcs b. Building on metadata of artistic works c. Meeting in April in Berlin

6. [Going back to the Europeana/licensing #2: Interoperability w/ Wikipedia seen as high on the 'wish list' for libraries: can be used as an incentive for uptake.] (Q from John: Is there an authorized-name <-> Wikipedia entry mapping? Is there a convention for embedding authorized names in WP articles? Can delete this q if addressed).
 * OKF working on RDF encoding, using owl:sameAs will go some way towards a structural answer if not complete data.

Yes this needs to be addressed: input from John would be great to negotiate this. (John notes that there are already conventions for embedding various kinds of machine-actinoable data into WP articles. If WP doesn't have one for names, I'd imagine one could make a proposal. Needed data is:    (authority source, authorized form) tuple.  e.g.    (LCNA, "Bellamy, Edward, 1850-1898") in the article on Edward Bellamy

7. Maarten to send to Sara: Paul (Kennisland) update in response to Europeana licensing - ref. #3 [Paul is away on holiday currently]

8. Discussion on where and how to link/collate different collections that are based in different jurisdictions: eg. filtering of Europeana depending on restrictions?

9. Communia project has suggested can combine public mailing list: what do people think about this? [As Communica project due to officially end in June w/ 6 month extension, so by February 2011 it will in effect disband]. Need to keep momentum therefore beyond the scope/end of that project. Can take this forward by writing to the list to propose this.

10. In US copying by institutions means considered as not having enough originality: q from Justin is, is this the same in the EU/UK? What FAQs are around negotiating this? Document asserting what rights ppl are explicitly asserting (or dedicating to public domain): general issue is that it is not at all clear. (even in US, the point where bib records, say, become copyrightable is not fully settled. Assertions of simple fact are PD, original judgments not. So in many cases titles, authors, years might be considered PD but subject assginments not - JMO)
 * Justin to write to list/Rufus about the above.

11. Maarten would like some help, a programming intern: can we circulate call for this? (No legal background required) in order to integrate 2 branches of PD calcs & a few small issues. It is moving slowly as issues with integration: need to have a developer on OKF-side to make the integration work.

12. Discussion of scheduling for these meetings: with new members on board how does everyone feel about the current timetable etc. Suggested we shift to monthly meetings, and circulate an agenda 1 week prior to the date in order for people to add points to be discussed. Aim to try this out and see how it functions/fits for all as we go on.

= Meeting 26 January 2010 =

Present: Christina Angelopoulos (CA), Sara Wingate Gray (SG), Rufus Pollock (RP), Maarten Zeinstra (MZ) Justin Tulane


 * PD calculators questions
 * PD calculators code
 * PD manifesto
 * PD Works database

Rewriting Qus
2. Are collective works, works of joint authorship and compilations given a definition in your national act? If so how are they defined? What is the term of protection for each of these different categories of work? Are their individual components considered to be separate works with an independent term of protection or not?

Item 1

 * PD expert qus:http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?hl=en&formkey=dElKSXlyUkJ2UWRfN3RlNXJsQmQzU3c6MA

PD expert qus v2 (CA):

https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?hl=en&formkey=dHRIMGNuMEJzd0NsNmk5YkhvRXZqemc6MA

Comments: • Discussion of changes betw v1 & 2, need for simplicity and brevity: q2 now may be better being split. Christina considers terminology is the issue with regards lack of brevity (something to bear in mind). • Discussion on how to organise sections: eg. 1st section = joint authorship & compilations, 2nd = terms of protection • Recommendation not to remove terms of protection from question (ie. death of author/date of pub) as this seems like the best fit place for it currently. • General agreement on the questions and placing (once new sectioning complete) but example that has been used (multiple tv episodes) is unhelpful, and seem to have been mixed-up and are now not correctly placed (v2). • There seems to have been an issue with editing the form vs the spreadsheet which created confusion. This has now been resolved, and Christina will re-edit the document to replace the examples (as previously given) to put them in the correct place. Agreement to remove examples considered unhelpful (tv episodes).

PD Calculator:

http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dExFSFMtbS05cEFFQXAzdGE1N2k1ZFE6MA

PD Works database and PD calculators code
Comments: Maarten has been working on a web app based on the flow diagrams. Made a standard in xml to code the questions in: we had a discussion on how to incorporate Maarten's work. His is only for EU generic, while Christina's work builds from 6 other jurisdictions. We want to incorporate Maarten's algos: main issue is that Europeana has a mandate for JAVA, although Maarten has so far nearly completed in python, it will be re-written in java to comply with the mandate. The code will be gpl, while OKF MIT licence. There is a need to generate flowcharts for other countries (which Christina is working on). Maarten also will be @ Lux meeting (Jan 31 onwards), so aim to discuss this and bash out more then.

PD manifesto
Comments: No time for discussion on manifesto. Notes: Communia has just publicly released manifesto  with signatories (incl. OKF). Perhaps our next step in this department is to get behind and publicise it, and bring the argument more out into the open through our blogs posts et al?

Meeting outcomes:

1. Christina to re-edit questions & examples as per above so that we have a draft finished working document (and email edits to Sara for backup)

2. Code & integration discussion to take place between OKF, Maarten et al who will all be at Communia Lux event (Jan 31 onwards) regards PD Calcs & Works dbase.