Meetings/2008-04

= OKFN Monthly Meeting: meetings/2008-04 =

Where and When

 * When: Thursday 17th April 2008 at 1900 BST (1800 GMT)
 * Where: #okfn irc channel on oftc.net

Agenda

 * OKCon -- post event updates
 * Open Shakespeare and Open Milton: update discussion
 * CKAN: updates + another package party
 * Local Open Knowledge Groups: update and plans
 * Open Economics: update

Actions from Last Meeting

 * TODO: (rgrp) CKAN package party update DONE
 * TODO: (jwyg) sort of videoing etc (contact saul) DONE
 * TODO: (rgrp) contact venue and confirm A/V stuff DONE
 * TODO: (jwyg) list on okcon page materials we need printed to take with us (+rgrp actually get these printed ...) DONE
 * TODO: (rgrp) email all subscribees confirming and giving location details DONE
 * TODO: (prodromos) confirm with LSE status of the event and get us on their events page DONE
 * TODO: (jywg) invite charles leadbetter (and perhaps write to register etc etc) DONE
 * TODO: (mk270) write to Rob Colvile inviting him DONE
 * TODO: (rgrp) email okfn-discuss about data for package party ... DONE
 * TODO: (rgrp) confirm venue details with LSE DONE

Present

 * rgrp, jwyg, iain, joss

Action

 * TODO: (jwyg) add ckan item to cofundos
 * TODO: (rgrp) post to list about next ckan package party suggesting dates
 * TODO: (sysadmin/rgrp): create ok-ox-discuss with iain + jwyg as administrator
 * TODO: (rgrp) announce shakespeare hackathon to list
 * TODO: (rgrp): create new MiniEvents page and (all) add stuff to it

IRC Log
#!irc 19:02 -!- Iain [~chatzilla@78.149.217.127] has joined #okfn 19:04 ok we can kick off i think 19:05 joss_: sorry - was just in the middle of finishing off some emails... 19:06 np 19:06 ok plan today is to finish in record time and keep this reasonably short 19:06 maybe combine this with having more regular irc meetings :) 19:06 agenda at:  19:08 great 19:08 1. OKCon -- post event updates 19:08 okcon was enjoyed by all i think 19:08 jwyg: jonathan i know you've mainly been dealing with post event stuff 19:08 anything particular to report 19:09 apart from post-event information page... 19:09 http://blog.okfn.org/2008/04/02/okcon-2008-documentation-and-open-knowledge-local-groups/ 19:09 the only thing i was wondering was whether we had missed any post event coverage on blogs etc 19:09 i will have another sweep around on tecnorati 19:10 there is also google blog search (which i think is sometimes better): http://blogsearch.google.com/ 19:10 ok great 19:11 a big thank you to everyone who helped out esp Adnan who dealt with the footage and saul who helped record it and do the audio 19:11 video is very large 19:11 but on archive.org :) 19:11 i know! 19:11 ;-) 19:12 that could be edited down at some point... but might be a bit expensive... 19:12 jwyg: could be but i'm not sure about the cost/benefit -- maybe if someone wanted to volunteer and had time on their hands ... :) 19:13 exactly, perhaps we could put it on the todo list 19:13 we should also have more categories on todo list 19:13 jwyg: you mean like priorities? 19:13 high/medium/low priority + ongoing 19:13 exactly 19:13 anyhow... 19:14 ok let's leave this item and move on to the meatier ones 19:14 great 19:14 Open Shakespeare and Open Milton: update discussion 19:14 this is really exciting 19:14 Iain: i know this is why you are here. 19:14 we are making great progess thanks to your efforts 19:15 i am also planning to start spending more time on OS again 19:16 i'd like to propose having a dedicated Open Shakespeare/Milton planning session. 19:16 Iain: are you there? 19:16 we have a trac installation to use for this 19:16 http://kforge.net/shakespeare/trac/milestone/0.5 19:17 great 19:17 i think it would also be great to have a mini hackathon for this 19:17 exactly 19:18 perhaps a few hours on a weeknight, a bit like with ckan thing 19:18 unfortunately Iain seems to have disappeared here ... 19:18 its on my list to step up efforts contacting relevant people in academe etc 19:19 that's actually a ticket :0 19:19 http://kforge.net/shakespeare/trac/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&milestone=0.5 19:20 perhaps we should create a mini events page for stuff like this on the wiki 19:20 we could also plan in meetings etc in advance more ... 19:20 yes - i'd like that 19:21 have you taken a look at the tickets:  19:22 i hadn't recently - great 19:22 i like the text stats ticket 19:23 what about word frequency clouds? 19:23 ;-) 19:23 what do you mean by a cloud? 19:23 do you mean like a tag cloud? 19:23 < Iain> msg sorry having connection issues 19:23 that's pretty easy once we have the data 19:23 Iain: sorry to hear that 19:24 what was the last thing you read? 19:24 see e.g. http://chir.ag/phernalia/preztags/ 19:24 < Iain> The "word cloud" - good idea 19:25 someone's written a script for this we could modify 19:25 Iain have you seen the trac instance: http://kforge.net/shakespeare/trac/roadmap 19:25 http://chir.ag/tech/download/tagline/ 19:25 < Iain> Not in the last couple of weeks. Must refresh myself on that 19:26 < Iain> openMilton nearly there - think I've figured the last issue for version 0.1 19:26 Iain: do commit your stuff into svn -- that way others (like me :) ) can see stuff more easily 19:27 are you happy to use it like that 19:27 Iain: great news! 19:27 ditto: that's fantastic! 19:28 < Iain> Once the issue is resolved then yes, I'm happy. If not, can I commit it for other eyes? 19:28 < Iain> Thanks. 19:28 Iain: you should feel free to commit when there are issues :) 19:28 that's exactly what's good abut using svn is that it will store every change so you update things and still go back if necessary 19:29 < Iain> I need to tidy up. not the neatest of coders ;-) 19:29 :) 19:29 sure, but the motto of svn here is the same as wikipedia: 'be bold' 19:30 you don't need to wait for it to be perfect before committing :) 19:31 < Iain> Okay, okay, I'll commit over the weekend. Promise. 19:31 :) 19:31 it also makes it easier for me to provide fixes if there are problems 19:32 anyway we should schedule a proper bit of type -- a mini hackathon on OS/OM stuff 19:32 i've just put up: http://okfn.org/wiki/MiniEvents 19:32 great 19:33 i was wondering whether it might be worth making an Events page on wiki - into which we put everything, and link to - a little like our Research page? 19:33 Iain: as the main other contributor when would be a good time to do a code 'sprint' 19:34 jywg: might be a good idea though it might be simpler to aggregate some things (like the 'event' feed on the blog) 19:35 < Iain> rgrp: I can do this Saturday or 26th? Perhaps 26th better if I commit over the weekend? 19:35 i think 26th is better 19:36 < Iain> I'll ink it into my paper-base diary 19:36 ok we'll announce that to the list. meet on irc in the afternoon and have a go at fixing things up 19:36 suits me! 19:36 (i've been itching to do the stats and play around with xapian) 19:37 great, ok that's OS/OM closed for time being i think 19:38 on ckan front we've had a substantial increase in traffic recently thanks to quite a bit of net coverage 19:38 what kinds of monthly traffic? 19:39  19:39 75k hits so far this month 19:39 5141 unique visitors 19:40 as you can see substantal peek following 7th of april discussions on various blogs 19:40 i think we should do another package sprint 19:41 we should also make efforts to take forward complementary applications e.g. tools to 'plug in' to ckan to support automated downloading, automated upload etc 19:41 me too! 19:41 browser plugin? 19:42 perhaps this could be worth trying to seed using cofundos... 19:42 that would be really cool -- though i don't know too much about browser plugins 19:42 we should definitely put an item on cofundos 19:43 action: (jwyg) add ckan item to cofundos 19:44 i'll look into circulating this in relevant communities 19:44 also i think we should really promote ckan package party hard 19:44 blog it well in advance 19:44 i'm not sure we need to do that much there 19:44 the package party is going to be more for enthusiasts but i agree we should blog it 19:44 last time we did really pretty welll 19:45 's true. 19:45 i've noticed several posts from librarians about ckan/open data. 19:45 action: (rgrp) post to list about next ckan package party suggesting dates 19:46 jwyg: yes, where? 19:46 could we doodle this too? ;-) 19:46 be good to send that kind of info to okfn-discuss 19:46 jwyg: yes 19:46 true - will do 19:48 ok: on to local knowledge gorups 19:48 jwyg: i know you've got one organized in london 19:48 i will be doing one in cambridge some time in next couple of months 19:48 what about oxford? 19:49 i haven't been onto nate yet, but i think he's started the wiki page 19:49 i'll take a look at this properly over the weekend 19:49 i'd like to try organising an open archeology event there - if there's enough interest 19:49 that would be a great idea 19:50 i think with nate absent from this meeting we should defer the oxford stuff 19:50 agreed 19:50 working hard on visualisation workshop 19:50 though i note Iain is on the Oxford list :) 19:50 there was also a librarian from Okcon whose card i have 19:50 < Iain> Because I'm based in Oxford :-) 19:50 well that's great 19:51 would you be interested in helping organize an ok local meeting in oxford? 19:51 rgrp: which library? 19:51 one of the colleges, i need to check ... 19:51 Iain: I thought you were based in London! 19:52 < Iain> Sure. I think I know which librarian if its Worcester. I need to email him at some point. 19:52 < Iain> No, here but the London group looked interesting... 19:52 Worcester, that's right 19:53 < Iain> Would you like me to ask him about joining the group? 19:53 Iain: good idea 19:53 that would be great 19:53 also if you guys want a mailing list e.g. ok-ox-announce ok-ox-discuss etc 19:53 just say and we can put one up 19:53 it could also be good to touch base with any f/oss groups 19:54 just like we can have ok-london-announce and the like 19:54 jp stacey is a man who you should also probably include in the group -- plus he organizes oxford geek night 19:54 < Iain> I was thinking of him oddly enough. A mailing list would be good 19:55 ok what would you like: ok-ox-announce or ...? 19:55 < Iain> ok-ox-discuss? It sounds like two way dialogue 19:56 sounds great 19:56 twill be done 19:56 < Iain> Thanks 19:56 action: (sysadmin/rgrp): create ok-ox-discuss with iain + jwyg as administrator 19:56 great 19:56 ok, we should wrap up here i think to try to keep it to the hour :) 19:57 we'll leave open economics update for time being 19:57 rgrp: just quickly 19:57 tho' you can see  19:57 us wheat acreage from 1866 to present day (see the opening of the prairies in late 19th century) 19:57 just change ycol0 to other values to plot other columns 19:58 jwyg: other stuff? 19:58 thats really great