Meetings/2008-10-15

= Meeting 2008-10-15 =

Details

 * When: Wednesday 15th October 2008 from 1830 BST (1730 GMT)
 * Where: #okfn irc channel on oftc.net (connect via Mibbit)

Agenda

 * Microfacts + Computus
 * COMMUNIA Workshop in Amsterdam

Participants

 * John Dalziel
 * Jonathan Gray
 * Rufus Pollock

IRC Log
(Time in CEST)

#!irc

19:30:24 	hi! 19:36:47 	anyone there? 19:41:10 *	tdobson (~I_win@dobsad.plus.com) has joined #okfn 19:47:49 *	rgrp (~rgrp@cpc3-cmbg6-0-0-cust206.cmbg.cable.ntl.com) has joined #okfn 19:48:22 *	crashposition (d9966bd2@webchat.mibbit.com) has joined #okfn 19:48:25 	hi all 19:50:06 	hello 19:50:29 	jwyg: hi 19:50:47 	Jonathan, hi it's John Dalziel 19:51:42 	Hi crashposition! 19:51:46 	Hi rgrp! 19:52:16 	Its a bit quiet tonight I think! 19:52:29 	Hi everyone 19:52:41 	crashposition: rgrp = Rufus Pollock 19:52:54 	jwyg = Jonathan Gray 19:53:01 	Hi Rufus, nice to finally chat to you 19:53:17 	crashposition: how is it going with Computus? 19:54:53 	likewise 19:55:24 	rgrp: how is everything? 19:55:27 	:-) 19:55:32 	very busy 19:55:35 	nods 19:55:53 	term just started right? 19:56:13 	Work is keeping me busy sadly, but I'm about to start building the base timeline component. 19:56:29 	rgrp: meant to ask you.. re: Amsterdam next week - have you asked about PD calc stuff with EU project? 19:56:46 	crashposition: very exciting! 19:57:21 	I have a working proto in AS2 that I did a few years back, but the speed improvents in AS3 should really help performance. 19:58:04 	jwyg: no i haven't i'll do this again 19:58:14 	The process is usually sketch it out, r&d, build then document it and put up on the site 19:58:30 	rgrp: what part of EU is it that you'll ask? not Europeana? 19:59:41 	? 19:59:49 	i have to ask the members of the project ... 20:00:29 	ok great.. programme for meeting is here: http://communia-project.eu/ws03 20:01:47 	crashposition: really look forward to seeing the results of this! 20:02:26 *	crashposition has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 20:02:28 	crashposition: it would be great to test bits out with microfacts.. 20:02:42 *	crashposition (d9966bd2@webchat.mibbit.com) has joined #okfn 20:03:07 	crashposition: just said "it would be great to test bits out with microfacts.." but you had vanished :-) 20:03:30 	back button ate my session. sorry 20:05:54 	crashposition: in terms of keeping microfacts/computus in touch, it would be great if you could let our discuss list know what you're up to! 20:05:56 	jwvg: yes, me to. In terms of architecture I want to keep the 'model' separate from the 'view' wherever possible. 20:06:11 	jwyg: btw i won't be there (I am bit concecrned that Juan Carlos thinks I am now the economics coordinator ...) 20:07:12 	rgrp: i guessed you weren't going to be there.. i don't imagine juan carlose thinks you're econ co-ordinator. i'll check with him.. 20:07:29 	rgrp: might you have a few minutes to talk about this on the phone at some point? 20:08:34 	crashposition: if you had a few moments, i'm sure http://lists.okfn.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss would love to hear about what you're up to! 20:08:52 	jwvg: If you think the list would be interested I'd be happy to. 20:09:14 	crashposition: definitely! :-) 20:09:50 	crashposition: just to clarify, is your main day job at the flash magazine? 20:10:16 	jwyg: that would be really good. 20:10:24 	better than here in this irc chat :) 20:10:32 	btw the upgrade went successfully 20:10:53 	rgrp: i noticed! 20:11:07 	rgrp: and you've put something captcha-like on the wiki? 20:11:15 	rgrp: which is great news.. 20:11:38 	rgrp: when would be a good time to call? 20:11:41 	jwyg: No I;m the Senior Flash Developer at an agency in London. FlashMagazine is just a community site we built. 20:12:03 	crashposition: ahh! i see.. 20:12:32 	It's the oldest independent Flash news site. We've been going since 2000. 20:12:39 	brilliant! 20:13:04 	We're old men now ;) 20:13:50 	old men indeed in the online world ... 20:14:03 	i think having a nice visual interface for exploring temporal stuff is really important.. 20:14:15 	could you sketch your main ideas for computus? 20:14:44 	i follow your blog, but am really curious as to how your ideas might translate into the final product :-) 20:15:59 	I have a sketchbook that I take notes in. These usually turn into quick r&d tests. I should probably post some of the sketches actually. Might makes things a bit more obvious 20:16:29 	It's such a big subject that you end up pursuing several things at once 20:16:33 	completely! :-) 20:16:47 	pictures of the sketchbooks would be really interesting... 20:20:53 	Most of the ideas are around interface. Different ways that data can be displayed or interacted with. 20:23:53 	At the moment I'm trying to break things down into small enough chunks that I can complete them. 20:24:00 	interesting... 20:24:44 	did i mention to you our open visualisation workshops? 20:25:10 	also, another project in incubation you may be interested in: 20:25:11 	http://suabw.uservoice.com/pages/general/suggestions/33574 20:25:21 	A web application that would interactively represent UK government budgetary information using maps, timelines, and best of breed visualisation technologies. 20:26:04 	Re: workshops: http://okfn.org/wiki/OpenVisualisation/Workshop 20:26:18 	Interesting. How many participants do you have? 20:29:46 	for the 1st and 2nd i think we've had perhaps a dozen each time? 20:30:38 	as well as documenting/demoing existing visualisation packages, i really wanted to build a kind of 'wish list' for open source visualisation technologies 20:32:16 	My philosophy with this project has been to concentrate on the front end as that's what I can do best. On the i/o side I want to support as many temporal data formats as possible. 20:32:58 	RSS, HEML, iCal whatever :) 20:33:13 	sounds ideal! 20:33:20 	:-) 20:33:26 	That should make it really versatile and useful! 20:33:39 	i was just about to say... 20:34:10 	from rss feeds of born digital documents, to cultural heritage holdings :0) 20:34:37 	micro to macro! 20:34:45 	exactly.. 20:35:19 	well i'm really looking forward to hearing more about it.. 20:35:42 	i should head off pretty soon.. 20:36:02 	Nice to finally talk. 20:36:07 	as you suggested, we should definitely catch up in chichester around christmas! 20:36:36 	Sounds great! 20:36:51 	same here - to me it sounds like there's lots of overlap in our vision for this kind of thing.. 20:37:13 	Absoultely, I think we can help each other. 20:37:21 	hooray! :-) 20:37:34 	+ it would be great if you could ping the discuss list when you get a spare minute! 20:37:48 	sure lots of others would like to hear about what you're doing... 20:37:53 	especially the sketches! 20:37:55 	:-) 20:38:01 	I've just signed up. Will put a quick hello world together :) 20:38:18 	jwyg: btw i think the spam issue is sorted out with main okfn wiki (also need to go and delete existing spam ...) 20:38:47 *	joshuagay has quit (Read error: No route to host) 20:40:01 	crashposition: great! look forward to it! 20:40:01 	I'm working late tonight so I'm going to have to run to. Catch you both later. 20:40:10 	crashposition: take care! 20:40:16 	bye Rufus 20:40:50 	bye crashposition 20:40:58 *	crashposition has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 20:43:11 	rgrp: is now an alright time to call? 20:45:33 	sorry 20:45:38 	being v. slow 20:46:09 	could we make 15mins -- on another conf call atm ... :) 20:47:58 	sure - no problem at all.. 20:48:08 	in the mean time take a look around www.ckan.net 20:48:11 	20:00 BST right... 20:48:18 	it has had a major upgrade (not v. visible) 20:48:29 	but good to check everything still working 20:48:55 	brilliant! 20:49:05 	i notice titles next to package short names - which is very helpful 21:05:07 	ok 2 secs 21:05:56 	great! 21:06:24 	ok let's talk now