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20:00:28 <jwyg>	hi all
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20:01:07 <jwyg>	hi all
20:01:24 <machine_envy>	hiya
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20:01:55 <andeggs>	hi
20:01:59 <jwyg>	perhaps we could quickly introduce ourselves for the irc transcript?
20:02:07 <jwyg>	i'm jonathan gray from the open knowledge foundation
20:02:08 <johnbywater>	hello
20:02:21 <machine_envy>	sure, this is Becky Hogge, also from OKFN
20:02:27 <simon_p>	hi - Simon Parrish from aidinfo
20:02:40 <cwg>	I'm Chris Watkins (chriswaterguy) from Appropedia
20:02:41 <johnbywater>	hello - i'm john bywater from the appropriate software foundation
20:02:49 <andeggs>	I'm Francis Bacon - not from an organisation but I intermittently blog at http://thatsthewaythemoneygoes.blogspot.com/
20:02:49 <GrahamSteel>	Graham Steel, patient advocate and follower of OKF/OA
20:02:55 <joe_seddon>	Im Joseph Seddon from Wikimedia UK
20:03:33 <Costan>	Hi I´m Constantino from "Theory Integration" (it is actually a soon to be social-enterprise but we're still deciding on the name :)
20:03:42 <rgrp>	hi i'm rufus pollock from the open knowledge foundation
20:04:11 <jwyg>	ok and it looks like we've also got a few more people idling
20:04:27 <machine_envy>	nice to meet everyone :)
20:04:34 <mib_96cwzh>	hello? Andrew Lamb here from Engineers Without Borders UK & Appropedia
20:04:45 <jwyg>	hi andrew :-)
20:04:52 <jwyg>	indeed - thanks to everyone for coming!
20:05:01 <jwyg>	we've got a rough agenda at: http://wiki.okfn.org/wg/development/1
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20:05:37 <jwyg>	i guess the first question, and the first item on the agenda is what people think the working group should aim to achieve
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20:05:50 <jwyg>	current purpose is at:
20:05:51 <jwyg>	http://wiki.okfn.org/wg/development/
20:06:36 <jwyg>	currently i think the main thing is to provide a point of reference for people interested in open knowledge in development
20:07:06 <simon_p>	I like the purpose as stated in wiki......maybe also to share information and raise awareness of innovative information/knowledge related initiatives in development...
20:07:24 <jwyg>	absolutely.. 
20:07:24 <machine_envy>	+1 on the purpose - I like it
20:07:43 <jwyg>	great!
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20:07:52 <machine_envy>	In terms of potential projects "Collation of case studies/evidence pertaining to the value of open knowledge in international development " would be a good way to start identifying ourselves as a point of reference
20:08:03 <jwyg>	yep..
20:08:06 <jwyg>	this is very true
20:08:19 <machine_envy>	where could we collate such studies? Is there already a good page on the wiki?
20:08:36 <jwyg>	no i don't think there is...
20:08:45 <jwyg>	i guess for datasets and resources we could use ckan
20:09:13 <machine_envy>	is ckan for resources (eg list of case studies) as well as data sets? Some case studies may not be "open"
20:09:14 <jwyg>	perhaps using tag development or opendevelopment
20:09:23 <andeggs>	In terms of purpose, I would also like to know whether there will be any lobbying/campaigning element to the work
20:09:25 <cwg>	good points. I'd also say: a resource and thinktank for questions about openness in aid and development. 
20:09:32 <mib_96cwzh>	case studies might be suited to Appropedia
20:09:48 <jwyg>	ok...
20:09:51 <rgrp>	machine_envy: i think ckan is less good for "studies"
20:09:57 <jwyg>	perhaps we should start a page at, e.g. http://wiki.okfn.org/OpenDevelopment
20:10:07 <jwyg>	and point to existing projects, initiatives and suchlike
20:10:29 <jwyg>	and do http://ckan.net/tag/read/development separately...
20:10:36 <mib_96cwzh>	I'll be collecting a few of those for an event that we're organisation
20:10:37 <cwg>	Andrew: agreed, but I'd say Appropedia could be the platform for sharing the case studies. The working group could take the lead in compiling them.
20:10:58 <mib_96cwzh>	yeah - whatever helps
20:11:02 <cwg>	though whichever wiki they're on, they need to be referenced on both.
20:11:16 <jwyg>	sure!
20:11:23 <jwyg>	is anyone interested in taking a lead on this?
20:11:25 <mib_96cwzh>	how might this group grow do you think?
20:11:49 <mib_96cwzh>	relates to aims
20:12:08 <jwyg>	indeed that is next item on agenda
20:12:15 <mib_96cwzh>	aha.. ok
20:12:17 <jwyg>	"Inviting new members and making contact with other organisations "
20:12:23 <machine_envy>	@jwyg I'd be pleased to take a lead on the collation of case studies
20:12:33 <jwyg>	machine_envy: that would be wonderful!
20:12:56 <jwyg>	just to recap: is everyone roughly happy with the purpose of the WG?
20:13:04 <GrahamSteel>	yes
20:13:05 <mib_96cwzh>	yes - very
20:13:07 *	cwg wipes forehead in relief that Becky has stepped up
20:13:15 <machine_envy>	yes
20:13:17 <simon_p>	yes
20:13:22 <andeggs>	yup
20:13:26 <machine_envy>	cwg: i'll be asking for help, don't worry!
20:13:32 <jwyg>	:-)
20:13:35 <jwyg>	great
20:13:39 <cwg>	of course! will be glad to help
20:13:55 <jwyg>	so next item, is ideas for other people we should invite to the WG
20:13:58 <johnbywater>	yes - purpose looks great !!
20:14:00 <cwg>	should we decide where to put them now, or leave that to Becky?
20:14:40 <cwg>	from Appropedia's perspective, these case studies are exactly the sort of material that would add value, so we'd want to have them in some form. 
20:14:43 <rgrp>	i think the best thing might be for people to send case studies they know to the open-development mailing list
20:15:04 <simon_p>	could we also expand to collate good examples of innovative information/knowledge related initiatives   - or does case studies already include this? (e.g. Ushahidi - which is always referenced, be good to have more like this!)  (ref my point on purpose)
20:15:06 <cwg>	for now, yes, but a final resting place?
20:15:09 <rgrp>	(not attached - but links) these could then be added to whatever wiki page was deemed appropriate
20:15:23 <jwyg>	i've set up a page at: http://wiki.okfn.org/OpenDevelopment
20:16:03 <jwyg>	but generally i agree with rgrp - that it would be nice to post things to the list
20:16:15 <rgrp>	let's start with things there -- if someone else provdes better it should be trivial to move html/attachments ...
20:16:19 <jwyg>	this is a good way of doing it gradually, and keeping momentum
20:16:21 <Costan>	Yes (answering agreement on targets, soorry for the delay), the open knowledge foundation is new to me. I have a different approach to development, but I don't want to deviate the conversation... 
20:17:13 <jwyg>	moving back to the agenda - do people have ideas for other people or organisations we should contact in the first instance?
20:17:36 <jwyg>	i'd be especially interested in speaking to people at institutions who publish (potentially) open data related to development
20:17:47 <cwg>	attachments - eek. I hope we're not talking about attachments on the wiki(s). not an open way of posting info.
20:18:14 <machine_envy>	jwyg what sort of institutions are you thinking about?
20:18:28 <rgrp>	cwg: most stuff should be html (but I thought people may occasionally wish to attach the text of studies which may be pdf or ...)
20:18:28 <cwg>	(can move the wiki/attachment convo to a thread)
20:18:32 <jwyg>	ngos, international institutions
20:18:37 <rgrp>	cwg: yes
20:18:55 <mib_96cwzh>	I've a list of about 60 technical support providers in the UK NGO world who might be interested... focusing of course on practical guides etc
20:19:09 <mib_96cwzh>	I'm trying to suggest to them to think more about openness
20:19:13 <simon_p>	I have invited my colleagues who helped organise the DC open development barcamp (from Development gateway,forum one, world bank, USAID - Global development commons) - this will hopefully spread the network to east coast.....
20:19:25 <rgrp>	who are the main organisations producing data on development projects (be that funding, outcomes, ...)
20:19:25 <andeggs>	Some organisations that are active in this include http://betteraid.org/ http://www.cgdev.org/ http://mande.co.uk/ and http://www.oneworldtrust.org/
20:19:39 <andeggs>	and http://aida.developmentgateway.org/index.do
20:19:48 <jwyg>	brilliant
20:19:53 <jwyg>	thanks for this!
20:20:24 <jwyg>	i guess at the same time we'd like to contact people/orgs who are likely to be relatively active in contributing
20:21:31 <jwyg>	i guess this is another conversation we can continue on list if no-one has any specific ideas they'd like to add now...
20:21:43 <jwyg>	shall we move onto possible projects?
20:21:55 <GrahamSteel>	SPARC®, the Scholarly Publishing and Academic Resources Coalition http://www.arl.org/sparc/
20:22:16 <jwyg>	good idea graham!
20:22:34 <jwyg>	re: possible projects on the wiki we've currently got:
20:22:34 <jwyg>	# Open knowledge in development prize
20:22:34 <jwyg>	#
20:22:34 <jwyg>	Collating relevant material on CKAN
20:22:34 <jwyg>	# Newspaper article/press release
20:22:34 <jwyg>	# Visualisation project using open data related to development
20:22:34 <jwyg>	# Standards/guidance for publishing development data
20:22:34 <jwyg>	# Collation of case studies/evidence pertaining to the value of open knowledge in international development 
20:23:10 <jwyg>	what do people think?
20:23:31 <rgrp>	i think it would be really good to try to think of a really *small* project focused on getting data and doing something with it
20:23:59 <jwyg>	agreed!
20:24:00 <rgrp>	this could be practical data or the transparency data (e.g. what development money is being spent on)
20:24:09 <andeggs>	DfID are going to publish their aid database online soon, we could do something with that
20:24:24 <simon_p>	re: DFID yes with an API
20:24:33 <jwyg>	that would be fantastic
20:24:35 <rgrp>	ok, great. Do we know when this will become available and what exactly will be in it
20:24:44 <simon_p>	'wheredoesukaidgo.org'
20:25:04 <simon_p>	pencilled in for aug 10th apprently
20:25:37 <simon_p>	project data (£, sectors, dates, countries etc.)
20:25:48 <joncamfield>	Also perhaps talking with someone at GapMinder.org?  They're promoting open dev. data strongly
20:25:51 <cwg>	Any idea what license DFID is using for their data? (World Bank's license for their data makes their API not very useful)
20:25:52 <andeggs>	I have an FOI about ut: http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/information_in_aries_and_the_pub#incoming-34007
20:25:55 <rgrp>	great, and are there any really specific questions we'd like answered
20:26:22 <jwyg>	joncamfield: indeed. we're very proud to have hans rosling from gapminder on our advisory board!
20:26:35 <GrahamSteel>	re:# Newspaper article/press release http://thesciencebehindit.net/ might be of interest 
20:26:36 <joncamfield>	jwyg: See how up to date I am! ;)
20:26:45 <rgrp>	e.g. coudl we focus on a particular country or set of countries
20:26:56 <cwg>	glad to hear about Hans Rosling!
20:27:16 <rgrp>	in particular, what kind of thing do you think would be of interest to a more general community (and journalists ...)
20:27:22 <cwg>	Re open data for visualizations: USAID data would be public domain.
20:27:22 <GrahamSteel>	yeah - that darn cool (Hans)
20:27:39 <joncamfield>	I am in Wash DC, fwiw.  I missed the Open Dev unconference unfortunately
20:27:47 <machine_envy>	I think the MSM will show interest if we can relate openness to something a bit more human
20:28:06 <machine_envy>	Can we tell a story about people who have been helped by open data in development yet, or is it still theoretical>
20:28:08 <machine_envy>	?
20:28:25 <rgrp>	machine_envy: I am thinking here more of what we could do with DfID database
20:28:33 <machine_envy>	Oh, I see
20:28:42 <rgrp>	so a transparency angle, plus are there particular countries we could look at
20:28:51 <jwyg>	(machine_envy: but that is a very good question!)
20:28:57 <joncamfield>	blue-skying, I think something like "ayiti" (http://www.tigweb.org/tiged/projects/ayiti/) (a resource-scarcity game) that runs with real-world data could be newsworth and exciting, but pretty difficult.
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20:29:01 <simon_p>	i think it would be useful to produce an alternative interface from the DFID website based around top five likley questions from UK citizens
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20:29:33 <andeggs>	allow comments on each project - from both uk citizens and people who actually experience their implementation
20:29:45 <rgrp>	both great ideas
20:29:53 <machine_envy>	Is there anything that's likely to be contrversial with the DfID data (cf EU subsidy data and IHT front page)?
20:29:56 <rgrp>	what do we think are the 5 most likely questions
20:30:12 <simon_p>	 e.g. what is UK funding in country x?
20:30:24 <machine_envy>	simon_p: good one
20:30:40 <simon_p>	what are latest projects DFID has approved?
20:31:00 <jwyg>	how has funding to country X changed over the last Y years?
20:31:12 <machine_envy>	is it helping people?
20:31:32 <machine_envy>	(but I guess you can't get the answer to that question from the dataset!)
20:31:36 <jwyg>	:-)
20:32:02 <simon_p>	how much spending on sector Y? (e.g. water)
20:32:23 <andeggs>	quality of governance / corruption in each country
20:32:27 <simon_p>	which corrupt governments are receiving  budget support?
20:32:43 <rgrp>	ok, this seems great
20:32:46 <simon_p>	maybe a mash up between budget support and quality of governance/
20:32:50 <simon_p>	?
20:33:02 <jwyg>	perhaps we could do basic graphs showing total breakdown by country and by sector?
20:33:07 <rgrp>	i think we should jot down are best questions + andeggs idea for commentary
20:33:07 <andeggs>	there are plenty of indicators available from WB it could be mashed with
20:33:43 <andeggs>	http://developer.worldbank.org/
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20:34:06 <jwyg>	i think what makes hans roslings visualisations really work is the notion of telling a story with the visualisations - which then makes it more intuitive when going to play around with the visualisations yourself..
20:34:35 <jwyg>	(pardon my repetition... small typing box..)
20:35:06 <cwg_>	This is great - but World Bank's terms of use don't allow mashups (and I don't know about DFID - hence my suggestion to look at USAID). I'd like us to give them a really hard time about this :-).
20:35:12 <joncamfield>	a good story that crosses borders to any donor-nation would be tax% -> impact
20:35:40 <jwyg>	cwg_: re: "World Bank's terms of use don't allow mashups" do you have a url?
20:35:46 <mib_j0qdl3>	just watching TED now...linked data - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM6XIICm_qo&NR=1
20:36:02 <joncamfield>	US specific for this would be something similar to http://www.wallstats.com/deathandtaxes/
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20:36:57 <jwyg>	interesting..
20:37:10 <jwyg>	cwg: where is usaid data?
20:37:27 <rgrp>	jwyg: here's info for general worldbank data http://www.ckan.net/package/read/world-bank
20:37:34 <rgrp>	with terms of use which are very restrictive ...
20:37:52 <jwyg>	nods
20:37:57 <rgrp>	anyway let's not get to sidetracked: I think we should get back to deciding what our 2-3 main projects are rigth now
20:38:03 <jwyg>	agreed! :-)
20:38:17 <rgrp>	1. do something with DfID or other available data set to look at where aid is going
20:38:26 <rgrp>	(and answer 5 interesting questions)
20:38:39 <jwyg>	i think becky's question about what open knowledge/data in development is very important - perhaps we could do something on this?
20:38:57 <jwyg>	*sorry: what impact it has
20:39:10 <cwg_>	jwyg: looking for that url re World Bank - came up on Twitter conversations about OpenDevCamp. 
20:39:24 <jwyg>	and what kind of knowledge is valuable for what kinds of purposes
20:39:24 <rgrp>	was this question about impact of open knowledge or the imapct of development generally (which obviously requires data)
20:39:35 <jwyg>	impact of open knowledge on development
20:39:39 <jwyg>	e.g. in education
20:39:51 <cwg_>	jwyg: Haven't looked for USAID data - but they should have enormous amounts and its US Fed, so it'll be public domain.
20:40:03 <jwyg>	in terms of helping NGOs make decisions
20:40:05 <jwyg>	etc
20:40:37 <GrahamSteel>	 Threw this over to John Wilbanks who's on the stage in the British Library via FriendFeed Q. from the OKFN session that I would like to put to John and post back "Can we tell a story about people who have been helped by open data in development yet, or is it still theoretical" 
20:40:39 *	cwg_ just noticed that rgrp already answered the World Bank terms of use question.
20:40:46 <simon_p>	"impact of open knowledge on development" - i like this idea
20:41:09 <simon_p>	the same story about Uganda is always told
20:41:18 <mib_j0qdl3>	are you aware of AIDA-http://aida.developmentgateway.org/index.do
20:42:18 <simon_p>	opening data up in Uganda made £ received by schools go up from 13% to 80% of allocated budget
20:42:39 <jwyg>	amazing!
20:42:41 <simon_p>	....we need more stories like this
20:42:43 <jwyg>	exactly
20:42:47 <mib_j0qdl3>	AiDA has automated data harvesting WB etc and screen scraping from multiple sources-Gates etc
20:43:11 <jwyg>	also - in things like engaging with NGOs working on education, to see what kinds of textbook are in demand...
20:43:58 <jwyg>	and touching base with ICT4DEV crowd and trying to make resources appropriate to technology etc.
20:44:35 <jwyg>	(e.g. textbooks that are not too bandwidth intensive)
20:44:54 <machine_envy>	simon_p - I'll ping you for more details on the Uganda story when I'm compiling case studies
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20:46:20 <jwyg>	machine_envy: i wonder if we could combine case studies with studies of the need in different areas?
20:47:02 <jwyg>	i.e. looking existing projects as well as looking at where future projects could be helpful, or where there is demand?
20:48:49 <andeggs>	Poverty Action Lab publish data on the results of randomized trials of different programmes: http://www.povertyactionlab.org/JPALdata/ They claim on homepage "To date, our evidence has helped improve the lives of at least 30 million people"
20:49:03 <jwyg>	amazing
20:50:21 <jwyg>	alright
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20:51:00 <jwyg>	re: projects we've got "1. do something with DfID or other available data set to look at where aid is going (and answer 5 interesting questions)"
20:51:08 <joncamfield>	I'm reading Ha-Joon Chang's "The Myth of Capitalism" which devotes a few chapters to the role of IP regulation, if I come across any good openness stories there I'll share with the mailing list
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20:51:54 <jwyg>	2. case studies on open knowledge in development
20:52:19 <jwyg>	joncamfield: fantastic!
20:53:10 <jwyg>	also i look forward to seeing what comes out of:
20:53:11 <jwyg>	http://lists.okfn.org/pipermail/open-development/2009-July/000003.html
20:53:14 <rgrp>	3. I'd also like to pursue # Standards/guidance for publishing development data 
20:53:24 <jwyg>	definitely
20:53:47 <rgrp>	e.g. looking around many of the links people have provided (including those at WB) it seems most of that data isn't explicitly open for example ...
20:54:00 <jwyg>	nods
20:54:04 <andeggs>	the biggest repository is AIDA, their schema is here: http://aida.developmentgateway.org/index.do
20:54:05 <rgrp>	which is a pretty obvious basic guideline for people publishing dev data
20:54:43 <rgrp>	andeggs: t&c state: "The Development Gateway Foundation Portal and the Development Gateway Resources Portal contain information, text, graphics, software, and other content (the "Site Content"). The Site Content is protected under the copyright laws of the United States and of other countries. Unless indicated otherwise on the Site Content, we ask that you contact us at partners@developmentgateway.org for permission for any reproduction, m
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20:55:20 <jwyg>	as chris pointed out usaid's data looks good:
20:55:21 <jwyg>	http://ckan.net/package/read/usaid-eads
20:55:31 <jwyg>	(just added to ckan)
20:56:31 <jwyg>	what do people think about a prize for open knowledge in development?
20:56:44 <mib_96cwzh>	really like the idea
20:56:54 <mib_j0qdl3>	for #3, about the # Standards/guidance for publishing development data 
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20:57:08 <simon_p>	me too. although I floated this in DC at barcamp and a sense of competition fatigue
20:57:17 <jwyg>	okay :-)
20:57:31 <joncamfield>	or multiple prizes - best in show, cleanest data, most impressive organizational change
20:57:39 <mib_96cwzh>	yeah - lots of competitions in the states, not so many here
20:57:43 <joncamfield>	a prize doesn't have to have a huge competition process
20:57:48 <mib_j0qdl3>	look at http://xml.coverpages.org/dml.html--IDML for standards/guidance for publishing development data
20:57:54 <mib_96cwzh>	I would like to see it applied to what NGOs know
20:57:59 <jwyg>	agreed
20:58:02 <jwyg>	that would be great
20:58:05 <mib_96cwzh>	sharing it with others etc
20:58:41 <jwyg>	so perhaps a prize aimed specifically at NGOs
20:59:01 <joncamfield>	also, a set of anti-prizes? (most out-of-date data, scanned images of tables"
20:59:09 <mib_96cwzh>	hehe
20:59:10 <jwyg>	uh oh :-)
20:59:15 <cwg_>	rgrp: Standards/guidance, definitely.
20:59:19 <joncamfield>	(maytbe that's a horrible idea)
20:59:36 <simon_p>	yes to standards from me too
20:59:39 <jwyg>	it could be a bit mean!
21:00:07 <jwyg>	re: prize, does anyone have any ideas where we might be able to look for sponsorship?
21:00:15 <cwg_>	jwyg: prizes are great. multiple prizes and a wooden spoon even better.
21:00:47 <jwyg>	there are several options:
21:01:32 <simon_p>	maybe we don;t need prizes - just a 'wall of honour' for open transparent orgs in development
21:02:03 <simon_p>	Publish What You Fund might be able to make some noise about it
21:02:10 <andeggs>	There are always degrees of openness - they may say what they are funding but still not release negative evaluations
21:02:11 <jwyg>	simon_p: ok brilliant
21:02:25 <cwg_>	jwyg: considering the prize-winners may be large NGOs or agencies, I wouldn't worry so much about prize money. As Simon says.
21:02:35 <GrahamSteel>	I have a big box of PLoS swag to give away if this is of any use. 
21:02:44 <jwyg>	cwg_: ok thats true
21:02:58 <mib_j0qdl3>	yes...i like the idea of a "wall of honor"-or a listing maintained by a watchgroup
21:03:06 <mib_j0qdl3>	name & shame so to speak
21:03:33 <jwyg>	true! this is a nice idea
21:03:44 <jwyg>	alright so we're approaching an hour...
21:03:53 <mib_j0qdl3>	the idea is to make it "cool" to publish your data-make it the in thing
21:04:04 <jwyg>	there's one last item on the agenda: which is planning/strategy...
21:04:54 <jwyg>	mib_j0qdl3: this is true!
21:05:40 <jwyg>	i guess here it would be nice to give the working group (and anyone else interested!) a rough timeframe and some objectives to meet
21:06:06 <GrahamSteel>	yups
21:06:20 <jwyg>	i think it would be nice if we could present what the group had done by next march at okcon
21:06:50 <jwyg>	it would also be nice to keep a bit of pace..
21:06:56 <GrahamSteel>	lol
21:07:09 <jwyg>	how often would people like to have meetings?
21:07:29 <GrahamSteel>	6-8 weeks
21:07:32 <jwyg>	bi-monthly? quarterly?
21:07:55 <simon_p>	bi monthly works for me....
21:08:02 <jwyg>	ok sure...
21:08:15 <mib_j0qdl3>	can we have a webex meeting...audio
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21:08:42 <mib_j0qdl3>	that will be helpful....sometimes a chat can be difficult to follow
21:08:45 <simon_p>	what about forming 'working groups' to take some of these ideas forward? or are are all interested in everything?
21:09:18 <jwyg>	simon_p: agreed. it would be good if people were interested in taking a lead with any of the projects
21:09:35 <cwg_>	I meant to ask (maybe it's a question for next time): how do we relate to openness in tech? Open source, open hardware. It's relevant (e.g. choice of computer systems in development/education programs).
21:10:07 <simon_p>	sorry folks -  gotta log off. guests arrived. look forward to transcript........bye
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21:10:32 <cwg_>	we're probably all interested in everything, but helpful to get narrowly focused commitment. 
21:10:43 <GrahamSteel>	I would be more than interested in assisting in audio link-up for the group
21:10:48 <andeggs>	Am happy to help with DfID project, but don't feel competent to lead on it
21:11:04 <jwyg>	great!
21:11:23 <jwyg>	grahamsteel: can i put an action item for you regarding the audio?
21:11:36 <GrahamSteel>	my pleasure
21:11:43 <jwyg>	that would be great!
21:12:07 <jwyg>	andeggs: great.. i'll list you under the project on the wiki page...
21:12:36 <jwyg>	i'd like to document open data related to development, so i'll put myself down on that front
21:12:37 <GrahamSteel>	I'll probably need some help from Cameron, but I can do it
21:12:55 <cwg_>	I could take on a small specific task - trying to figure out the options.
21:13:07 <cwg_>	could work with Becky on case studies.
21:13:10 <mib_96cwzh>	I'm happy to help on the networking with NGOs
21:13:13 <mib_j0qdl3>	Graham, we use webex, so I can help if needed..
21:13:20 <GrahamSteel>	cool
21:13:28 <machine_envy>	cwg_: excellent!
21:13:44 <jwyg>	that would be great!
21:13:59 <machine_envy>	ciao ciao everybody - gotta dash, great to meet with you all :)
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21:14:12 <GrahamSteel>	(off to search webex)
21:14:18 <cwg_>	mib_j0qdl3: sorry, what's your name?
21:14:27 <mib_j0qdl3>	also I can support...support ;-)....standards and open data...also
21:14:44 <mib_j0qdl3>	Alex...sorry....
21:14:51 <GrahamSteel>	Graham Steel
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21:15:12 <jwyg>	yes it would be great if those who weren't here at the beginning could quickly state their name/affiliation for the transcript
21:15:24 <cwg_>	is someone taking a lead on standards/guidelines?
21:15:31 <mib_j0qdl3>	Alex Coleman, Development  Gateway Foundation...
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21:15:50 <cwg_>	great to meet you, Alex.
21:15:59 <jwyg>	hi alex! :-)
21:16:22 <cwg_>	Is DGF connected to the World Bank? I used to have the idea that the Dev Gateways were a WB project.
21:16:27 <jwyg>	cwg_: we're currently looking at standards/guidelines...
21:16:53 <cwg_>	that'll be on the wiki anyway? If so, easy to give input.
21:17:17 <mib_j0qdl3>	hello everyone, yes DGF was started at the WB...we are next door now..OAS building..
21:17:19 <cwg_>	I could do a spiel on open tech for open dev.
21:18:25 <jwyg>	cwg_ that would be interesting!
21:18:32 <jwyg>	alright...
21:18:52 <jwyg>	is there any thing else that anyone was interested in discussing/asking about?
21:19:12 <cwg_>	timeline for these tasks? before next meeting? (which is when?)
21:19:54 <jwyg>	2 months time i think
21:20:01 <jwyg>	if people are happy with bimonthly meetings
21:20:10 <GrahamSteel>	yes
21:20:44 <andeggs>	That sounds good. This has been productive so far.
21:21:03 <GrahamSteel>	next time - with audio !!!!
21:21:04 <jwyg>	brilliant!
21:21:24 <jwyg>	alright - does anyone else want to put themselves down as looking into any of the projects or anything else?
21:21:33 <jwyg>	(or give themselves any other kind of action item?)
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21:22:03 <GrahamSteel>	(tumbleweed moment)
21:22:18 <joncamfield>	<crickets>
21:22:26 <jwyg>	indeed - does anyone want to join the working group who isn't already on it?
21:22:31 <jwyg>	:-)
21:22:47 <GrahamSteel>	I would, maybe, if that might be OK
21:23:03 <mib_j0qdl3>	sure...count me in
21:23:04 <joncamfield>	Though I do also have some value of openness for NGOs text as a blog entry somewhere in the dark past
21:23:21 <jwyg>	that would be great!
21:23:43 <jwyg>	it would be great if you could ping me an email at jonathan dot gray at okfn dot org
21:23:51 <jwyg>	so i can add your email addresses to relevant lists
21:24:23 <jwyg>	joncamfield: would love to see this!
21:25:14 <jwyg>	alright..
21:25:17 <jwyg>	shall we call it a day?
21:25:24 <cwg_>	Is this transcript going to be put on the wiki?
21:25:35 <jwyg>	of course
21:25:46 <jwyg>	will put it up at meeting page
21:25:51 <cwg_>	cool
21:26:16 <cwg_>	plus a list of who's doing what? (i've made a note in my to for the 2 things I said I'd do)
21:26:20 <cwg_>	oops
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21:26:26 <cwg_>	in my to-do list
21:26:35 <jwyg>	yup.. updating the main wg page..
21:26:37 *	cwg_ curses the enter key
21:26:40 <jwyg>	http://wiki.okfn.org/wg/development
21:26:49 <GrahamSteel>	JUST before I go, here is today's feed from John Wilbanks talk at the BI  http://friendfeed.com/british-library
21:27:06 <andeggs>	Good to meet you all, thanks, bye
21:27:22 <GrahamSteel>	Ciao
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21:27:25 <jwyg>	thanks to everyone for coming!
21:27:55 *	Seddon-wmuk rgrp
21:27:57 <Seddon-wmuk>	poke*
21:28:43 <mib_j0qdl3>	last item
21:28:46 <mib_j0qdl3>	http://opendev.ning.com/
21:28:55 <mib_j0qdl3>	might be worth checking out..
21:28:56 <mib_j0qdl3>	thanks..;-)
21:29:26 <mib_96cwzh>	bye for now
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21:30:03 <jwyg>	brilliant!
21:30:21 <cwg_>	mib_j0qdl3: yes, that's a good network.
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21:33:41 <mib_r83dfe>	?
21:34:13 <joncamfield>	jwyg: http://joncamfield.com/blog/2007/12/web_20_guide_for_nonprofits.html and specifically http://www.joncamfield.com/blog/2007/12/the_power_of_open.html
21:36:00 <jwyg>	joncamfield: brilliant - thanks!
21:36:51 <joncamfield>	jwyg: largely catering towards buzzword compliance w/r/t web 2.0 stuff, but I tried to drill in that you don't get "web 2.0" without open data sharing as part of it
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